Question for Lisa T?

[Need2Run]

You are on the security committee correct?

The problem is with the Chief, how does one start a petition to call for his resignation?

[Wilbur]

Eeek, this could be awkward....

Maybe it's better if I stick my nose in and field this one.

I can't think of any way a petition could require the CSD Board to do anything in the way of a personnel action as to an individual employee. Certainly a petition or complaint letters spelling out a complaint would alert the BOD to a problem or magnitude of a dissatisfaction they might not otherwise realize exists. If any corrective action was deemed appropriate and taken, you typically wouldn't read about it in the local press because it is after all a personnel matter and employers don't/can't blab about those. I don't think there exists any formalized way to do this, so there's no particularly "right" or "wrong" way.

I'm not big on going after the people any more, personally, as I've come around to the conclusion that most of the time it's a messed up system and that people can adapt to better systems but if you plug somebody else into a bad system, it is still a bad system.

[akulasquirrel]

Originally Posted by Wilbur

Eeek, this could be awkward....

Maybe it's better if I stick my nose in and field this one.

I can't think of any way a petition could require the CSD Board to do anything in the way of a personnel action as to an individual employee. Certainly a petition or complaint letters spelling out a complaint would alert the BOD to a problem or magnitude of a dissatisfaction they might not otherwise realize exists. If any corrective action was deemed appropriate and taken, you typically wouldn't read about it in the local press because it is after all a personnel matter and employers don't/can't blab about those. I don't think there exists any formalized way to do this, so there's no particularly "right" or "wrong" way.

I'm not big on going after the people any more, personally, as I've come around to the conclusion that most of the time it's a messed up system and that people can adapt to better systems but if you plug somebody else into a bad system, it is still a bad system.

Also, remember that since none of the CSD employees below the District Board are elected to their positions, rather they're appointed to them, recall of those employees isn't possible. In other words, I don't think there's a way for the public to "force" anyone there to resign.

[BethB]

Originally Posted by akulasquirrel

I don't think there's a way for the public to "force" anyone there to resign.

No but as Wilbur said, you could sure voice your dissatisfaction, how many people have quit or been let go in his short time as the Chief? You would think they might begin to wonder, maybe somethings fishy going on.

I remember one time, I took a $4,000 pay cut to get away from a boss that was a tyrant and went to work in another department. Unfortunately, while it was noticed and talked about by senior mgmt and he did get a talking to, he didn't really change his ways and still didn't keep employees very long.

[Birdieman]

Has anyone ever thought that maybe, just maybe, being a security guard in Oz isn't all that great of a job. And that the turn over is caused by employees moving on to find a better job, a job closer to home, a job that pays more, a job that is more in tune with their personal preferences and goals. Why does everything around here have to be some great conspiracy?

[hautemomma]

Originally Posted by Birdieman

Has anyone ever thought that maybe, just maybe, being a security guard in Oz isn't all that great of a job. And that the turn over is caused by employees moving on to find a better job, a job closer to home, a job that pays more, a job that is more in tune with their personal preferences and goals. Why does everything around here have to be some great conspiracy?

I'm going to go with Birdie on this one. For a blue collar job (US Dept of Labor classification) with a wage (CSD's wage) that tops out around $18/hr ($32k/annual), the odds are it won't be a permanent position. The hours aren't ideal (night shifts, etc) and it is considered by the BLS (Board of Labor Standards) to be a temporary (or even secondary) job. Why the criticism of the tenure of our officers, when it is starting to look like we might be retaining OUR officers longer than the median? Looks like we pay the median wage (closer to the 75th-90th percentile) too. I don't get the hoopla over all this. Seems like we fall right into what the national and state standards say is typical for this industry, in both tenure AND pay.

Here are some links and data I just pulled, so we can start talking about actualy statistics and wage information:
Security Guards
California LaborMarketInfo, The Economy
Security Guards and Gaming Surveillance Officers
Security Guards

YEAR AREA JOB CODE JOB TITLE WAGE
2008 Sacramento-Arden Arcade-Roseville MSA 339032 Security Guards $31,110
2007 Sacramento-Arden Arcade-Roseville MSA 339032 Security Guards $29,449
2006 Sacramento-Arden Arcade-Roseville MSA 339032 Security Guards $28,734

Metropolitan areas with the highest concentration of workers in this occupation:
MSA Employment Hourly mean wage Annual mean wage Percent of MSA employment
Atlantic City, NJ 3,550 $10.28 $21,390 2.401%
Miami-Miami Beach-Kendall, FL Metropolitan Division 20,210 $10.19 $21,190 1.963%
Las Vegas-Paradise, NV 16,510 $12.18 $25,330 1.770%
Honolulu, HI 7,530 $11.95 $24,850 1.742%
Memphis, TN-MS-AR 10,330 $9.74 $20,260 1.630%

Top paying Metropolitan areas for this occupation:
MSA Employment Hourly mean wage Annual mean wage Percent of MSA employment
San Luis Obispo-Paso Robles, CA 680 $22.55 $46,910 0.627%
Trenton-Ewing, NJ 1,880 $16.36 $34,030 0.844%
Bellingham, WA 500 $15.81 $32,880 0.638%
Amarillo, TX 1,080 $15.63 $32,066 .018%
Napa, CA 640 $15.54 $32,310 0.978%

[LisaT]

Originally Posted by Birdieman

Has anyone ever thought that maybe, just maybe, being a security guard in Oz isn't all that great of a job. And that the turn over is caused by employees moving on to find a better job, a job closer to home, a job that pays more, a job that is more in tune with their personal preferences and goals. Why does everything around here have to be some great conspiracy?

I think that that is often given for the reason.

However, from personal knowledge of many that have left, I would say that the turnover has to do more with the situation out here, of being expected to do a job, but not given the tools to do it with.

Hopefully, that will be getting straightened out, and that we've hit the lowest low, and the only way will be up. I would hate to think that it might get worse before it gets better.

[LisaT]

Originally Posted by Need2Run

You are on the security committee correct?

The problem is with the Chief, how does one start a petition to call for his resignation?

I'm not on the security committee, but I attend when I can.

My efforts have been at correcting a structural problem, not to point fingers. It has never been my intention to accuse, point out, or blame any one person. Frankly, I think your post is disrespectful.

[hautemomma]

Originally Posted by LisaT

I'm not on the security committee, but I attend when I can.

My efforts have been at correcting a structural problem, not to point fingers. It has never been my intention to accuse, point out, or blame any one person. Frankly, I think your post is disrespectful.

You have infuriated a group of people who don't know the actual facts to the point of asking for Remson's job. Congratulations.

What do you expect people to think with the information (I use that term loosely) you are posting on this site? You've called out Remson before- how can you say its disrespectful this time when someone else does it?

[LisaT]

Originally Posted by hautemomma

You have infuriated a group of people who don't know the actual facts to the point of asking for Remson's job. Congratulations.

What do you expect people to think with the information (I use that term loosely) you are posting on this site? You've called out Remson before- how can you say its disrespectful this time when someone else does it?

I don't know who Need2Run is, which means that I don't know what information s/he has, or does not have.

If you can provide the posts where I have called out Remson in the past, I will be more than happy to respond to those.